tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post1507432209443109727..comments2024-03-25T17:46:30.402-05:00Comments on 'Village Life in Kreis Saarburg, Germany': A Look at Le Havre, a Less-Known Port for German EmigrantsKathy, the Single-minded Offshoothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07887312817720774699noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-16910667810972340522023-12-04T17:26:26.527-06:002023-12-04T17:26:26.527-06:00I'm writing about that era. This is an excelle...I'm writing about that era. This is an excellent post. Can you tell me how the people lived in Hagnau, Germany in 1835-37? My ancestors left from there and went to La Havre to board a ship for America. Alvinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16042881002631226903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-90619639963169637022022-05-06T13:44:48.411-05:002022-05-06T13:44:48.411-05:00You are absolutely right about John being Jean on ...You are absolutely right about John being Jean on the passengeFrench port with French officials. I thought “Jean” was rather charming and my Francophile Sister loved it. You are on the right track!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-57199397411167286912022-04-25T17:01:04.165-05:002022-04-25T17:01:04.165-05:00Thanks Kathy! My ancestor John Blattner was born i...Thanks Kathy! My ancestor John Blattner was born in Kuttigen, Aargau, Switzerland. I found a Jean Blattner who arrived in NYC in 1853 aboard the ship Samuel M. Fox and I think Jean and John are one and the same!Jay Buckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12768788327176952758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-54894904684164415412021-09-15T17:37:08.949-05:002021-09-15T17:37:08.949-05:00So I just went to Ancestry and found the manifest ...So I just went to Ancestry and found the manifest for the ship Rose arriving in NO on May 30, 1845. Your ancestors might be on it too. I believe you will need membership on ancestry to view though. This was a serendipitous moment for me. Your question here prompted me to look again. I'm grateful! Good luck!<br /><br />https://www.ancestry.com/imageviewer/collections/7484/images/LAM259_24-0201?pId=55898cherilynclough.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01294868694048875120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-53469747739138525852021-09-15T16:11:09.730-05:002021-09-15T16:11:09.730-05:00HI Bruce,
I am researching for a book I am writing...HI Bruce,<br />I am researching for a book I am writing about Peter Britt of the Canton Glarus who became a pioneer in Southern Oregon. I too, am researching the ship Rose in the same year and month! <br /><br />I can't find the ship, but I found an ancestry record that states the Britt family left Le Havre, France on May 5, 1845 on the ship Rose and arrived in New Orleans on May 30, 1845.<br /><br />If you have any more information I would love to hear of it, I hope this might be of some help to your research. <br /><br /> cherilynclough.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01294868694048875120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-37001799423863342202021-06-14T01:47:06.876-05:002021-06-14T01:47:06.876-05:00Hello again Kathi!
Once again I read this excellen...Hello again Kathi!<br />Once again I read this excellent post about the port of Le Havre, the experience of Germans coming to embark a ship, and finding information about passengers.<br /><br />This rereading comes after a fellow member of www.facebook.com/groups/GermanGenealogy glowingly reported you as a source.<br /><br />Thanks again for your writing!<br />Tom KohnTom Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13156208787667044304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-85818024475585267402021-05-23T15:49:13.894-05:002021-05-23T15:49:13.894-05:00Bonsoir, les émigrants achetaient le billet de voy...Bonsoir, les émigrants achetaient le billet de voyage sur le bateau, dès le départ du village d'où ils venaient sinon ils n'obtenaient pas le visa ou le passeport, justement pour ne pas encombrer la ville du Havre. Je peux vous communiquer des affiches et quelques informations qui illustrent cela. Les délais sont exclusivement liés à l'incertitude du trafic maritime et toute l'administration faisait en sorte que des migrants sans billets n'arrivent pas. Jacques Vennerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04132224218500511477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-59972401687316027912021-05-23T15:34:45.029-05:002021-05-23T15:34:45.029-05:00Bonjour, la frontière linguistique ne correspond p...Bonjour, la frontière linguistique ne correspond pas à la frontière actuelle entre la France et l'Allemagne. Depuis l'an 1000 et quelque soit les volontés politiques, il existe une frontière très précise qui ne varie pas. J'ai de la famille des deux cotés de cette frontière et tout se passe bien. On trouve sur internet des cartes qui présente les limites liguistiques. Merci pour votre site. Si vous avez des questions n'hésitez pas....Jacques Vennerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04132224218500511477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-10193205814400722442021-05-23T15:29:24.152-05:002021-05-23T15:29:24.152-05:00Bonjour, nous sommes de lointains cousins ; mon aî...Bonjour, nous sommes de lointains cousins ; mon aîeule Anne Marie Fromholz 1793-1837 est la soeur de Jean Fromholz 1776-1819. mes ancêtres d'une autre branche sont partis aussi aux USA en 1846. Je cherche à retracer précisemment le voyage en France vers le Havre. Auriez-vous des informations précises ? Compagnie de voyage, comment ont-ils connu ou choisi le bateau ? J'habite pas très loin de Schorbach et de la Moselle, je peux compléter vos informations sur Schorbach si vous avez besoin. Merci de m'avoir luJacques Vennerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04132224218500511477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-29379369085924124002021-04-18T10:31:39.578-05:002021-04-18T10:31:39.578-05:00Thank you Kathy for posting this. I just learned m...Thank you Kathy for posting this. I just learned my great grandfather said from Le Havre Port to New York from Ersingen, Germany in 1850 on the ship Marathon. Yes, he was listed as a farmer. Your background on what conditions were like there helps me paint a better picture of what that must have been like for him. Today I am grateful for him (Charles "Karl" Heil) and his journey. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15184503586794774899noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-89703047722932020522019-01-03T14:58:18.617-06:002019-01-03T14:58:18.617-06:00Thank you for taking the time to thank me and tell...Thank you for taking the time to thank me and tell me about your plan to write about your ancestors and include the stories that make them come alive. You are my kind of genealogist!Kathy, the Single-minded Offshoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07887312817720774699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-19918329947369156772019-01-03T14:14:50.027-06:002019-01-03T14:14:50.027-06:00Fantastic information. Thank you for sharing. I&...Fantastic information. Thank you for sharing. I'm including it in a small detailed account of my German ancestors' immigration so I can share the story with my family. I appreciate your work and cited sources. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05405808774728185153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-81363304691118892562018-05-08T22:15:50.467-05:002018-05-08T22:15:50.467-05:00Amazing write up. I have French ancestors that lef...Amazing write up. I have French ancestors that left Le Havre in 1853 onboard the SS Rockall. I believe it was a cargo ship and I have been trying to find a picture of the vessel. The picture you have of the port above is beautiful!! Any recommendations as to where I can find more pictures of the port or ships from that timeframe?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-24232734145175558762018-04-04T10:15:42.750-05:002018-04-04T10:15:42.750-05:00Thank you for writing. That's exactly how I f...Thank you for writing. That's exactly how I felt. Once I realized that ships did not leave on the concise schedule we expect today, I kept asking that question with no success until the French National Library's reference staff member dug bits of information from their holdings. It seems that by wanting to write a novel about the German emigrants who came to America, I answered a question that plagued so many family historians. Kathy, the Single-minded Offshoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07887312817720774699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-82942947449115771252018-04-02T10:50:32.872-05:002018-04-02T10:50:32.872-05:00Thanks for your work. I was trying to imagine wher...Thanks for your work. I was trying to imagine where my g-g-grandfather stayed in Le Havre as he got there about 2 months ahead of the date his ship left in 1842. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05406633387949909969noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-6908360570047272382018-02-22T12:37:40.880-06:002018-02-22T12:37:40.880-06:00Glad you liked the article. Place of origin means...Glad you liked the article. Place of origin means the home country of the person or the family. For instance, my ancestors sailed from the Port of Le Havre and the place of origin is listed as Prussia, because they came from the Rhineland which was governed by Prussia in 1861. Some ship personnel were careless about the place of origin. So if your family came from Deutschland it could just mean they spoke German. There was no official Germany/Deutschland until after World War I. However, if anyone's ancestors arrived after WWI, they came from an actual country called Deutschland/Germany. Since your ancestors did come before that date, the person doing the recording for the New York Port Records was not interested in which of the many German countries at that time (Prussia, Bavaria, Hesse etc.) his passengers came from and just wrote "Deutschland" because they spoke German rather than French. "Place of Origin" would have nothing to do with where the ship was built or where it made stops. Kathy, the Single-minded Offshoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07887312817720774699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-67393895452784337002018-02-17T12:20:27.953-06:002018-02-17T12:20:27.953-06:00Hi Kathi. Thank you so much for this very interest...Hi Kathi. Thank you so much for this very interesting article.I have just discovered our ancestors arrival record. They emigrated as a family from Bavaria and arrived in New York on the ship the Adhomas in June 1847. I was really surprised to see that the port of departure was Havre but your article answered many questions! The record states the the place of origin as Deutschland. Does that mean the ship was built in Deutschland, or that there was another port of call prior to Havre that they might have boarded at?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-24960039549017463672018-01-07T16:30:50.842-06:002018-01-07T16:30:50.842-06:00Thank you for this great article. My ancestors cam...Thank you for this great article. My ancestors came from Le Havre to New Orleans ca 1850's but I don't know the ship. All that was recorded about them is that the ship encountered a bad storm in the gulf and they were unable to make landfall for some time. The family came from Baden, Germany. Does anyone have an idea of the name of this ship?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-48741067345014995752017-12-29T05:40:20.825-06:002017-12-29T05:40:20.825-06:00Hallo,
just found this utmost informative page in ...Hallo,<br />just found this utmost informative page in search for passenger-lists from LeHavre to USA. I think I can help to the Kirberg-Issue:<br />There is a Homburg-Kirberg, part of the City of Homburg, Saarland (see: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirrberg_%28Homburg%29). It belongs to the Saar-Pfalz-Kreis (Saar-Palatinate). Palatinate was bavarian from 1816 til 1920.<br />(see: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saarpfalz-Kreis)<br />Hope this helps<br />Klaus from Mainz am RheinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-72683419183163914872017-09-18T18:54:42.269-05:002017-09-18T18:54:42.269-05:00Thank you Dawn for leaving a comment on my blog. ...Thank you Dawn for leaving a comment on my blog. I'm sorry to tell you that I can't think of any way to find that picture. Unless it was famous in some way, no one would have drawn it and I don't think there were even rudimentary cameras at that time. My only suggestion would be to identify what type of ship it was and look for a line drawing of that type of sailing ship and ask someone artistic to copy it and frame it. Sorry I can't be of more help. KathiKathy, the Single-minded Offshoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07887312817720774699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-62543479289310374982017-03-05T10:42:05.463-06:002017-03-05T10:42:05.463-06:00Kathy,
Just found your very interesting and helpfu...Kathy,<br />Just found your very interesting and helpful blogspot. I am working on family geneology and they were from Switzerland and sailed from LeHavre to New York in 1833 aboard the Charles Carroll. My mom would love to have a picture of the ship and passenger list, so I thought that as Birthday gift I would do this for her. However, I can't find a picture of the Charles Carroll that sailed in 1833 anywhere. Wondered if you might have any ideas.<br /><br />Love your blog!<br />Dawn Burgy HuthAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02951987114455354013noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-83740198515261028392017-01-31T12:03:11.558-06:002017-01-31T12:03:11.558-06:00Thank you for writing, Karen. It's always a r...Thank you for writing, Karen. It's always a real pleasure to hear from people who were helped by an article on my blog and take the time to tell me. Keep on searching and blogging!Kathy, the Single-minded Offshoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07887312817720774699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-72903723100856860172017-01-31T05:17:08.288-06:002017-01-31T05:17:08.288-06:00Really enjoyed your blog, Kathy. I'm writing m...Really enjoyed your blog, Kathy. I'm writing my own blog for my extended family and discovered my great-grand parents' two sets of parents came from Franch-comte near Alsace (one German name Schmitt, but French-speaking) and left from Le Havre in 1830 and in 1854, both groups settling in Shelby County, Ohio. I was looking for travel time across the Atlantic and found your blog. So, thank you. Karen Charbonneauleaves on the Raney Treehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12711219595014372212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-46327196283739851582016-12-19T23:25:29.634-06:002016-12-19T23:25:29.634-06:00I'd like to help but your question is a hard o...I'd like to help but your question is a hard one. I've talked to someone who knows more about France than I do. Germany does not have provinces and she says that there is no province called Havre or Le Havre in France. Without knowing the source of those records - when and where recorded and by whom, I don't know how to approach your question. Perhaps you might find someone at a local genealogical society who could help you. <br />KathyKathy, the Single-minded Offshoothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07887312817720774699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13928417.post-31722764356782366022016-12-18T10:13:06.775-06:002016-12-18T10:13:06.775-06:00Hi, I've enjoyed reading your blog. I'm co...Hi, I've enjoyed reading your blog. I'm conflicted with the location of my ancestor & that caused me to stumble upon your blog. In a German Immigrant Records book at my local library it lists my (5th gen) grandfather (14 at the time) as being from province: Havre. It included a map of Germany in the front of the book showing of the provinces. Is my Havre the same as the Le Havre in France??<br /><br />Thanks for any help you can offer!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com